The prophet's words are as follows: And because my words shall hiss forth, many of the Gentiles shall say, A Bible a Bible, we have got a Bible, and there can not be any more Bible. In order to do this, of course, Reuchlin and the others became ardent Hebraists. There is more to poetry than this simple repetition of similar sound, but the illustration suffices to demonstrate the problem that translation creates. Have ye obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews? Preface This has paired elements at all three levels of indentation, but it can’t be rearranged into a chevron or a double echelon. ), "In due course the Lost Tribes of Israel will return and come to the children of Ephraim to receive their blessings. 2 Ne 2:29 the will of the flesh and the evil which is therein… giveth the spirit of the devil power (Commentary edited by David Mulholland) Joseph Smith. What evidence do we have? But what if there was a divine poetry so universal in its application that it could be recognized and appreciated in every language. the Lost Tribes of Israel: In 2 Nephi 27:13-14, the Lord showed that there are to be three major written testimonies of Christ to come forth: (1) the Bible (of the Jews), (2) the Book of Mormon (of the Nephites), and (3) the records of the lost tribes of Israel, which we do not yet have. B 1 2. He continues, "Scribes sometimes changed their manuscripts to render them more patently orthodox [i.e. It is our modern counterpart to those of Jesus' day who rejected him in the pretense of being loyal to the Law of Moses, the irony being that loyalty to the Law of Moses demanded acceptance of Jesus as the Christ. . Copyright © 2020 Alan C. Miner. We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible. 4 thoughts on “ 2 Nephi 33: 4 ” Anonymous says: September 5, 2010 at 6:59 AM. A Bible! . 2 Nephi 7. We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible. This is followed by mention of two more tribes, Ephraim and Manasseh, which the Book of Mormon calls "Nephites." [Allen H. Richardson, David E. Richardson and Anthony E. Bentley, 1000 Evidences for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints: Part Two-A Voice from the Dust: 500 Evidences in Support of the Book of Mormon, , p. 91] [See the commentary on 1 Nephi 13:26]. When more literal and precisely translated versions are used, the parallelism or repetition of thought becomes more visible. 2 Nephi 6. He declared, "I believe the Bible as it read when it came from the pen of the original writers. In other words Mormons have an extra task put upon them--all the other "Christians" can believe in any one of a thousand different and contradictory doctrines, but they are all saved in a pile regardless--but the Mormons must believe in true theology or they will be damned--in other words, only Mormons must have works! This explains why a poet may be very popular within one area of the world but entirely unappreciated in others. . Those who declare that the Bible is the only revelation that God ever intended for his children also claim that the Bible is perfect. A Bible! (A Marvelous Work and a Wonder, pp. . If the great Jehovah wishes to add to His words, who is man to forbid Him? Therefore, in order to justify his punishment of the wicked, his word must also be established by more than one witness. . Brown, All Things Restored: Confirming the Authenticity of LDS Beliefs, pp. '(2 Ne 21:11) There could not be a 'second time' unless there had been a first. by Brian Stuy, vol. The doctrine that the Lord speaks to all nations is repeated three times in this chapter. No, certainly not. When more literal and precisely translated versions are used, the parallelism or repetition of thought becomes more visible. No one knows how many differences, or variant readings, occur among the surviving witnesses, but they must number in the hundreds of thousands" (Ehrman, 27). Yet it is rejected in the name of loyalty to the Bible. They worked with the Jews, etc. We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible" (2 Nephi 9:3) Lee Donaldson notes that the Bible's prestige was at an all time high in the United States as the Book of Mormon rolled off Grandin's press in 1830 (See Philip Barlow. Nevertheless, they were altered for we know that there are many plain and precious things taken away from the book (1 Ne 13:28). 2 Nephi 3. As mentioned in the commentary for 2 Nephi 26, however, there are differences between Isaiah's and Nephi's versions of these materials. And from Hebrews, Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever (Heb 13:8). That is the true meaning of the words. signifies to bring forth. 22:18-19: 'For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.'. Jerome lived fifteen years in Bethlehem. However, if the repetition was not the repetition of sound but the repetition of meaning, then it could be easily transferred from one language to another. When the passage is placed in an appropriate format, its parallel nature becomes obvious. Unlike temporal treaties, however, the Lord's covenants do last. Prophecy is foreknowledge, so the use of the word "Bible" by Nephi is on a par with Isaiah's use of the name "Cyrus" in one of his prophecies of the future. He continues all the way through to Isaiah 29:24, but with a lot of other text in between. 2 Nephi 5. The current state of wickedness in the world clearly demonstrates that the Lord is not yet finished with his work. So what plain and precious parts were taken away from the Bible? I then began to point out to him, that in keeping with the archaeological and historical discoveries of this century, most "Christian" scholars have now come to the conclusion that the Patriarchs were Polytheists--even the Bible bears witness of it--and it is now regarded as a fact--and no honest scholar will deny it! Ne… I Nephi - Moroni. ... 2 Nephi 29. They were still a distinct people many hundreds of years later, for the resurrected Lord visited and ministered among them following his ministry on this continent among the Nephites. "Thus it is, , that Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead" (Luke 24:46, emphasis added). Downloads Male Voice (MP3) Female Voice (MP3) Entire Book (PDF) Text Settings. Basically chapter 27 is Nephi's quoting of the Isaiah materials found in the King James Version in Isaiah 29:6-24. . In the process of our discussion I asked him whether or not he thought the Patriarchs Abraham, Isaac and Jacob would be heirs of Salvation and he answered that they would. Chiasmus is a form of inverted parallelism. We have got a Bible, and there cannot be any more Bible" (2 Nephi 9:3) Lee Donaldson notes that the Bible's prestige was at an all time high in the United States as the Book of Mormon rolled off Grandin's press in 1830 (See Philip Barlow, Mormons and the Bible, 8). I shall comment on the very first Hebrew word in the Bible; I will make a comment on the very first sentence of the history of creation in the Bible--"Berosheit" I want to analyze the word. Note how the writer first mentions the Jews, one of the twelve tribes. they aligned them with their own theology] (Ehrman, 29). (Compendium, p. This branch of Israel is by far the largest, at least by the number of involved tribes. By the time we arrive at this point in the scripture, Nephi has already prophesied that the whole world in the last days will be engulfed in apostasy. . Like mortal lords, God intends his covenants to span generations and even eternities. This thought process is false for the following reasons-first the books that we know as the New Testament were not compiled at the time of John's writing. A good example is found in 2 Nephi 29:3-6: And because my words shall hiss forth--many of the Gentiles shall say: A A Bible! they knew God personally, for they had seen Him face to face. Some will quote the passage in Rev. The logical extension of such reasoning would be to reject the Gospel of Mark in the name of loyalty to Matthew or to reject the witness of Peter in the pretense of loyalty to Paul and his teachings." Although it is not the intention of this commentary to "go on the negative" and personally attack or disparage other peoples ideas, yet because of the Lord's words of warning here in 2 Nephi concerning the reasoning of men in the latter-days, I will relate the following story by Fred Collier: I used to go to the state fair and when I went, I would always visit the anti-Mormon exhibits. 2 Nephi … (McConkie and Millet, Sustaining and Defending the Faith, pp. . So is it accurate to say that the Bible contains the final word of God? This chapter describes Satan's latter-day attack on the Book of Mormon. What evidence do we have? See also commentary for 1 Ne 14:7 and 2 Ne 25:17. If "plain and precious parts" were taken away from the Bible, then where are we to turn for truth after these deliberate corruptions of scripture? Have Ye Obtained a Bible Save It Were by the Jews? Verses 1-4 Casey Paul Griffiths (LDS Scholar) After the devastating events surrounding the lost manuscript, it was important for Joseph to receive reassurance that his calling and gift has been restored. . word of God and there is, therefore, no need for further scripture? (2 Nephi 29:6). . Nibley’s Commentary On The Book of Mormon Sharman Bookwalter Hummel, Editor Selections from all Four Volumes Teachings of the Book of Mormon by Hugh W. Nibley ... Lecture 22 2 Nephi 29-31 . This is a double inverted parallel: 4' the Nephites and the Jews. Certainly not. Elder B. H. Roberts explains: "Elder B. H. Roberts offered the following counsel on this principle: While the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is established for the instruction of men; and is one of God's instrumentalities for making known the truth, yet he is not limited to that institution for such purposes, neither in time nor place. . Thank you for your tireless effort on this blog in our behalf. "...To claim for the Bible what it does not claim for itself is to misuse the Bible. [Roy E. Weldon, The Book of Mormon Text Reformatted according to Parallelistic Patterns. . A Bible! Why is this a divine form? The Book of Mormon Is the Word of God In The One Hundred and Forty-Fifth Annual General Conference of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints . . Baurau signifies to bring forth. One example will illustrate the point. Title Page. Every time Nephi refers in a prophesy to the "isles of the sea," he is thinking about the land of promise. they aligned them with their own theology] (Ehrman, 29). xxi-xxiii]. The Bible tells us that Abraham, Isaac and Jacob received personal visitations from God. This is an incredible revelation! B But thus saith the Lord God: O fools, they shall have a Bible; C and it shall proceed forth from the Jews, mine ancient covenant people. 2 Nephi 29:9 And Because That I Have Spoken One Word, Ye Need Not Suppose That I Cannot Speak Another: Nephi quotes the Lord as saying to those in the last days: And because that I have spoken one word ye need not suppose that I cannot speak another; for my work is not yet finished; neither shall it be until the end of man, neither from that time henceforth and forever. . How truly did the Book of Mormon prophesy of them--"A Bible! These three records are to be shared by each group so that each will eventually have the records of the others. Mormonism holds, then, that all the great teachers [those who teach principles of truth and virtue] are servants of God; among all nations and in all ages. . Rhyming poetry is lost in translation, but notice what occurs when the parallelism of this verse is translated into Spanish: Although the words have changed from English to Spanish, the repetition and pattern of words is obvious even to those who do not understand Spanish. This doctrine concludes that God is a changeable being, that although he spoke with prophets and revealed new truths throughout time, his pattern of behavior has changed. (2 Nephi 29:6). . Add Bookmark. Come, Follow Me Daily Study Guide for the week of March 2-8, 2020 covering 2 Nephi 31-33. ", The Lord then responds to the Gentiles (plural) in verses 4 and 5, as numerous verbal clues attest. Clearly the warnings in Revelations and Deuteronomy apply only to mankind, and not to God. Just as the Bible is a collection of many books, and the Book of Mormon is a collection also, likewise the records of the ten lost tribes will probably be a collection of various books. Accordingly, when Cyrus read this, and admired the Divine power, an earnest desire and ambition seized upon him to fulfill what was so written.--Antiquities of the Jews, Book II, p. 321. Apparently, he understands that we learn through repetition. That means that every time in the history of the world that there has been a prophecy or revelation, that there should also be a recording of it... and it isn't a burden type thing, because it is supposed to help us when we are judged. 2 Nephi 29:3 reads, "And because my words shall hiss forth--many of the, shall say: A Bible! Remember Jerome? This argument implies that John was writing the book of Revelation as the last chapter of the New Testament. Although we think of the Americas as two great continents, it is completely natural that Nephi, having sailed to the promised land, should refer to it as an isle of the sea, we have been led to a better land, for the Lord has made the sea our path, and we are upon an isle of the sea. . . : In 2 Nephi 29, a statement is made concerning the origin of the Bible: Have ye obtained a bible save it were by the Jews?" 2 Nephi 29:14 I Am God, and . 16:1-4; 17:4.) 2 Nephi 29:13The Jews, Nephites, and lost tribes shall have each other's words. Nephi testified that in the last days, all scriptures would work together to show that God remembers His children. It was beyond the power of human wisdom; it was beyond the limit of human power. "It has to be significant that the Bible makes no such claim for itself: There is not a single passage of scripture that can properly be used to sustain such a view. It is apparent from the scriptures that many of these lost Israelites were scattered all over the earth. A Bible! . Nephi continues this methodical explication of Isaiah 29 throughout 2 Nephi 26 and 27 by quoting sections of Isaiah, commenting, and then quoting further. . This reasoning would eliminate the vast majority of the Holy Bible from Deuteronomy chapter 5 on to Revelations chapter 22--over a thousand pages of the. The "lost" books of the Bible include: Book of the Wars of the Lord (Numbers 21:14), Book of Jasher (Joshua 10:13; 2 Samuel 1:18), Book of the Acts of Solomon (1 Kings 11:41), Book of the Manner of the Kingdom (1 Samuel 10:25), Book of Nathan the Prophet (1 Chronicles 29:29; 2 Chronicles 9:29), Book of Shemaiah the Prophet (2 Chronicles 12:15), Book of Samuel the Seer (1 Chronicles 29:29), Book of Gad the Seer (1 Chronicles 29:29; 2 Chronicles 2:29), Visions of Iddo the Seer (2 Chronicles 9:29; 12:15; 13:22), The Sayings of the Seers (2 Chronicles 33:19), Lost Epistle to the Corinthians (1 Corinthians 5:9), Lost Epistle to the Ephesians (Ephesians 3:3), Lost Epistle to the Laodiceans (Colossians 4:16). (3 Ne. [Lee Donaldson, "Plain and Precious Parts," Book of Mormon Commentary. . F Do they remember the travails, and the labors, and the pains of the Jews, and their diligence unto. Finally, in verse 6, the Lord says, ", obtained a Bible save it were by the Jews? Instead, they have cursed them, and have hated them, and have not sought to recover them. other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written" (John 21:25), emphasis added; see also John 20:30). 237 Lecture 23 2 Nephi 32-33; Jacob 1-2 . He gave us the Latin vulgate, the standard Roman Catholic Bible. Who knows, perhaps this Isaiah passage originally looked more like 2 Nephi 26-27, but comparing with Isaiah 29 as it looks now in the KJV demonstrates a very complex relationship between the two texts. Paul recited the ancient Hebrew law as follows, in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established (2 Cor 13:1). A Bible! 88. unto All Nations of the Earth: According to Donald Parry, "staircase parallelism" is a (Hebrew) poetical device where there is an apparent stepping up from one sense to another, until at the pinnacle is a culmination of thought. 2 Nephi 11. He lived right among the Jews when he wrote it, all those many years in Bethlehem. It is phenomenal in its character, because nowhere else can you see an exhibition of it. In 2 Nephi 26, he starts quoting Isaiah 29:3. Then dwelt they there until the latter times; and now when they shall begin to come, The Highest shall stay the stream again, that they may go through.' Discussing the change of white to pure in 2 Nephi 6:30 for the 1840 edition, he notes: “Of course, the 1840 change of white to pure avoids . Or will he, so long as time shall last, or the earth shall stand, or there shall be one man upon the face thereof to be saved? 2 Nephi 29:13 The Nephites and the Jews Shall Have the Words of the Lost Tribes of Israel: In 2 Nephi 29:12-13, Nephi recites the words of the God of the house of Israel, who also covenanted with Abraham that he would remember his seed forever: For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it. It will tell us, when it is received, about the Savior's visit to the ten tribes after his appearance to the Nephites. The Nephites and the Jews Shall Have the Words of the Lost Tribes of Israel: In due course the Lost Tribes of Israel will return and come to the children of Ephraim to receive their blessings. . . . Introduction to 2 Nephi 29 Joseph Fielding Smith insists that the Lord has always followed [the law of witnesses] in granting new revelation to the people. Fourth, a very similar passage is found in Deuteronomy 4:2: 'Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the Lord your God which I command you.'. Consider the child's poem: Las rosas son rojas, las violetas son azules. In verse11 it reads, For I command all men, both in the east and in the west, and in the north, and in the south, and in the islands of the sea, that they shall write the words which I speak unto them, and from verse 12, I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it. In this verse we see that the Lord is declaring to the world that the Book of Mormon is the second witness, and is in fact, another testament of Jesus Christ. eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word" had "taken in hand to set forth in order a declaration of those things which are most surely believed among us" (Luke 1:1, emphasis added). The Book of Mormon itself provides the answer--"For, behold, saith the Lamb: I will manifest myself unto thy seed, that they shall write many things which I shall minister unto them, which shall be plain and precious; and after thy seed shall be destroyed, and dwindle in unbelief, and also the seed of thy brethren, behold, these things shall be hid up, to come forth unto the Gentiles, by the gift and power of the Lamb" (1 Nephi 13:35). 2 Nephi 16. When he started talking about Salvation by Grace, insisting as they generally do, that works are not a necessary factor in the Plan of Salvation, I asked him--inasmuch as the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints have confessed Jesus--why is it that you would deny them Salvation? After all, with a Bible in your hand, who needs God or revelation! 113, 116, 140]. Elder Maxwell explains what the third witness is. Reuchlin and Luther were busily studying Hebrew. . How were they taken away? . For is there any agreement among those maintaining such a position as to what version of the Bible should be used or what the Bible is saying on a host of matters. This great gathering will take place under the direction of the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for he holds the keys of "the gathering of Israel from the four parts of the earth, and the leading of the ten tribes from the land of the north" (D&C 110:11). In addition to these lost books of scripture, there is presently no biblical text that records the prophecy that Jesus Christ would be "called a Nazarene" (Matthew 2:23). This printable kit will help you study and teach about Jacob's sermons in 2 Nephi 6-10. III, pp. "'We have no knowledge of the location or condition of that part if the Ten Tribes who went into the north country.' Unlike temporal treaties, however, the Lord's covenants do last. . . . A Bible! [Robert J. Matthews, "Two Ways in the World," in Studies in Scripture: Book of Mormon, Part 1, pp. The apostle Luke informs us that before he penned his own book "many . Isaiah 29 is one of the most often cited scriptural passages of the Restoration. 1 Doctrinal Commentary on the Book of Mormon1:151–52 2 See Gorton, Legacy of the Brass Plates, for thorough commentary on these corrections. : In 2 Nephi 29, a statement is made concerning the origin of the Bible: Have ye obtained a bible save it were by the Jews?" [Amy Blake Hardison, "Being a Covenant People," in Covenants Prophecies and Hymns of the Old Testament, p. 26]. 40, 50). For behold, I shall speak unto the Jews and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the Nephites and they shall write it; and I shall also speak unto the other tribes of the house of Israel, which I have led away, and they            shall write it; and I shall also speak unto all nations of the earth and they shall write it, [Donald W. Parry, The Book of Mormon Text Reformatted according to Parallelistic Patterns, F.A.R.M.S., pp. the Lost Tribes of Israel: Among the things to be accomplished by the multiple books of scripture are: (1) to give a multiple witness of Christ; (2) to show that the Lord does speak the same gospel to one people as to another, and (3) to prove that God does honor his covenant that he made with Abraham, promising to remember his seed forever (2 Nephi 29:14). And it shall come to pass that the Jews shall have the words of the Nephites, and the Nephites shall have the words of the Jews; and the Nephites and the Jews shall have the words of the lost tribes of Israel; and the lost tribes of Israel shall have the words of the Nephites and the Jews. (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, 181) 202-3). When the Lord recovers his people, he gathers them, protects them, and reestablishes his covenants with them. . If there is a title page in that third set of sacred records, it is not likely to differ in purpose from the title page in the Book of Mormon, except for its focus on still other peoples who likewise received a personal visit from the resurrected Jesus (see 3 Ne 15:20-24; 16:1-4)." But they took this counsel among themselves, that they would leave the multitude of the heathen, and go forth into a further country, where never mankind dwelt, That they might there keep their statutes, which they never kept in their own land. . 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